McCain Camp: No Palin Medical Records Till After The Election

If you don't want to tell us then we can guess right.  How about VD  for Palin or the fact that she did not just has a baby.

McCain's I know is mental, he has flash backs and is really very violotile to be near the button. 

So you have unstable and unable to lead.  Good combination.

Tell me Sally York, what does Biden suffer from? He can't spell, he asked a man in a wheel chair to stand up, he is against clean coal, he thinks Hillary Clinton would make a better VP than him and of course many more gaffes, is he mentally off, delusional, just what is his problem?

We know Obama's problems are lack of experience and greed and of course his friends, and God forbid that he be allowed to be near the button.

Obama+Biden= Unable and unstable to lead.  Good combination

McCain: No Military or Medical records of mine either.

WHAT THE PHUCK are these weasels hiding?

Well, McCain isn't hiding that much.  We do know that he is 100% disabled and collects $58,000/year because he is so physically damaged that he needs assistance to do simple things.

This should factor heavily into one's decision to vote or not vote for him.

What are you talking about, you think that is more important than worrying about Lewis Farrakhan, Rev Wright, being Obamas spiritual adviser, Ayers being part of Obamas staff.  if Obama wins, no one will need to worry about health, we will all be in a war.

I think what a person does PERSONALLY is more important than what people a person knows does.  Time after time you folks want to hold Obama responsible for the actions of others, because he has done nothing wrong himself.  I want to hold McCain responsible for his own choices and behavior.   If you WANT me to hold him responsible for the actions and beliefs of his friends, I can do that.  I can base my decision on people like Charles Keating who sent him that "love letter".  Or any of dozens of felons McCain has been associated with for decades.  

I prefer to judge a person based on the things that are actually in their control, though.

Oh, and you know what, you must have missed where I said that if Obama actually shared Ayers opinions it would make me like him EVEN MORE.  We need some SERIOUS change in this country.

Oh no you didn't just say that McCain is, disabled!!!  Do you know why he cant move his arm above his head, do you know why he has any disabling, conditions??  He was defending our COUNTRY so you would have the freedom to blog, the horrible things you just said.  In case you don't know, his jet crashed, he was held as a POW for years.  They broke his arms, ribs, legs and when one would start to heal, they would start all over again.  They would not set them, so the bones healed badly.  His mind is sharp as a tack, his will to survive carries to us, he will fight for us, UN like Obama.  Obam has done nothing for this country, he was even to chicken to vote the short time he was in the Senate.  He voted present.  Do not, do not put down a hero of this country, until you have walked in his shoes, you don't have any idea what other horrible torture he went through, for me, for you and for OUR COUNTRY>

bjrdh2,

Well, I was going to not respond to you again so as not to waste critical brainpower. However that last rant ticked me off.

You frigging idiot. Where do you get your information? Do you just remove it rectally or do you have voices in your head that tell you what to do?

You ignore the fact he IS DRAWING 100% DISABILITY from the US Govt. That is totally true. "They broke his arms, ribs, legs, etc...." is so TOTALLY not true. Those things happened when he ejected from his plane, you moron. READ HIS BOOK!!! And no, they did not start all over again because THEY KNEW HIS VALUE!!!

And yes, you inbred hillbilly, I HAVE WALKED IN HIS SHOES as I did a tour in Nam so I get to criticize him on this. Put me down now, you jerk. I served and you clearly didn't. YOU walk a mile in our shoes, penis breath.

Oooooh, you make me so mad!!! (Curly Joe from the Stooges)

Here's my email: stlouisactor@yahoo if you want to make something of it.

John McCain did NOTHING for his country.  He did it for himself.  He signed up for a tour in Nam because he wanted to further his career.  Nothing he has done has ever been for anything but himself.  And stlouisactor has it right.  He was injured because he screwed up and had to eject.  He used his connections to obtain medical care other POWs didn't have access to.  And he is currently considered 100% disabled by the VA . . 100% unable to support himself.  But can't raise his arms above his head? I'm sorry, when I was sick a couple years back, and I couldn't raise my hand above my head, I would have been thrilled to be able to do what he is doing in that pic.  I couldn't even wash my hair without extreme pain.  Pardon me if I'm not impress by his alleged disability.

Gwenny

Excuse me , He was shot down and he ejected if you are going to slam someone why don't you get your information straight? 

 I can only  imagine what you had done that you couldn't raise your arms, but you shouldn't make fun of someone else because you don't think that he should be President.  I, too had surgery that I couldn't lift my arms due to cancer, but I healed.   Both of my  wrists were broken 9 years ago and they still give me pain today.  Do you not have empathy for anyone?  How can you say it is alleged? 

 You know this posting would not bother John McCain, but it bothers me for him.  I didn't vote for him when he was running against Bush, but now he is so much more trusting than Obama, and has so many more years of experience than Obama he gets my vote this coming monday during early voting.

For all of Mr. McCain's limited abilities, it would appear Mr. Obama is more severely disabled.

The Democratic candidate for the Free World is apparently unable to raise even one hand to his heart.

If they were pledging allegiance to the flag then I could see him placing his hand on his heart.  They obviously were not pledging since the flag is behind them!

I think I remember this story - they were singing the national anthem.  No heart covering required.

Parents aren't required to hug their children, government isn't "required" to take care of us, and politicians aren't 'required to run truthful campaigns, but we sure have a problem with it when they don't, right?

He was shot down and he ejected if you are going to slam someone why don't you get your information straight? 

Getting shot down is screwing up.  Escpecially when you already have a track record of hotdogging and showing off.

I can only  imagine what you had done that you couldn't raise your arms, but you shouldn't make fun of someone else because you don't think that he should be President. 

I have fibromyalgia.  It's a chronic, incurable pain syndrome.  Women who have depression and suffered severe childhood abuse, as I did, seem more prone to it.  The vast majority end up on disability as they are unable to support themselves.  (I have a full time job and no medical coverage so I support myself without any help.) I'm not making fun of him.  I'm just pointing out that he CLAIMS to be 100% disabled by this injury.  (Which you did not acknowledge was caused by his own failure and NOT because of torture.)  ONE HUNDRED PERCENT disabled means UNABLE to work full time.  As I've said before, his voting record does indeed prove he is unable to perform his duties as hired by his state but that does not seem to impact his income . .the reason vets receive disability is to compensate them when a injury incurred during military service renders them unable to support themselves.  It seems to me he needs to choose.  Either he is disabled and entitled to be suported by the government because he can't support himself OR he is unfit to be president, which is a more than full time job.  It can't be both.  It isn't both for any other vet anywhere.  If they work, they lose benefits. 

I didn't vote for him when he was running against Bush, but now he is so much more trusting than Obama, and has so many more years of experience than Obama he gets my vote this coming monday during early voting.

You TRUST a man like McCain?  One who threatens women?  One who calls his own wife vile names.  One who cheated on his first wife with his current wife for NINE MONTHS before filing for divorce . . . who has shown nothing but self interest.  A man who uses his connections to get out of trouble and cheat the system?  You TRULY trust this man.  Go watch some more videos of him.  See that he thinks The US was established as a Christian Nation. See how bad his temper is. See him ridicule his kids' choice of music and call an audience member a "little jerk".  You TRUST this man and you want him representing our proud country around the world?

I am with Nearing...when they play the national anthem on base, we stand at attention, we stop what we are doing, get out of our cars, whatever...and stand at attention.  Some put their hand over their heart, but most don't.

And thats what was going on when Obama was filmed. 

That's ironic. Please bear in mind that no one's a bigger fan of the military than I, which is underscored by both action and declaration.

However...while there are always exceptions, ask most anyone who regularly attend ballgames in America. It's absolutely ingrained in our cultural to typically see MLB baseball players and minor league teams from all over, tens of thousands of regular Joes and their children who place great importance on our flag. We stand reverently, place hands on hearts, or even salute during the anthem with loud cheers to follow. True, not everyone places their hands on their hearts, but most of us were raised better than that, though children even often outshine some of their more most jaded elders in this regard.

But, sir, for a wannabe Commander-in-Chief and leader of the Free World? I expect a little more effort, don't you? Words say things, but actions often mean much more.

Crazy, I know...

Hand over the heart or standing still...

It is a matter of how people are raised?  Generational?  Cultural?  Military family vs non military family? One is not better then the other.  People stand still, quietly, reverently and show respect.  That is the action I look for. 

I stand beside military members everyday, hubby included, while the anthem plays and most do not put their hands over their heart or salute.  They stand still, hands to their side, feet together and don't move a muscle.  Obama already stated that his grandfather, who was military, stood still, when the anthem played and that is why he does the same...it is the way he was raised.

One should never assume that because someone isn't doing what they are doing, they have any less love or respect for our country.

I repeat that respect for our country best shows in its actions. Add to that a skirting from scrutiny, representation of corrupted agencies, such as Dem-led Fannie and Freddie (plus his own receipt of $126,000+), possible money-laundering, participation with Ayers (read the text), bait-and-switch tax "cuts," and special-interest selling out to ACORN to further his political ambitions. -And that's just for starters.

This is patriotism?

Mr. Obama...ever "present"..."stood still," indeed.

Let me guess, you are no longer talking about the National Anthem and whether or not to stand still or put ones hand over heart?
I am not going to debate with you over ethics and past acquaintances, we will be here all night because McBush isn't a squeaky clean ex sailor...there is a reason he earned the nickname McNasty. 
I will say this...Obama could stand still, hand over heart, sing loud and proud and people would still say he was unpatriotic because people just want to believe that he is, thanks to Andy Martin and other closed minded people who spread lies over the internet to further their agenda. 

Right, navywifey. But I don't expect you to "go there," although it begs the question why not. So at the risk of receiving like judgment in equal measure, let the insults fly if that's the best you can come up with, including disparaging the family names of your fellow man.

As for citing other "closed-minded people," please...I encourage you....do your own homework and unearth your own facts. It might prove more enlightening than what others reveal to you, including myself.

Patriotism is much more about hand-over-heart, but we both know that, right? I believe there are far greater rewards to be had for those who have risked life and limb for one's brother and country. I shudder to think of what is ahead for others who so easily willing to sell out one's constituency for he sake of self-actualization.

Confused about "So at the risk of receiving like judgment in equal measure, let the insults fly if that's the best you can come up with, including disparaging the family names of your fellow man."  I try not to insult and I don't judge, that is beneath me and not my place.  Being a follower of Christ taught me that.  But I digress... 

 I don't want to go there, not because I can't or don't have the knowledge to, I just don't believe in banging my head against a brick wall.  I debate with people who are open, factual and don't get emotional...I debate with people who pay attention to all the news sights, not just right wing nut ones and blogs...I debate with people who do not feel like they are morally superior to others or feel like everyone has to play by their rules or else they aren't American, or rather "pro American". 

Our founding fathers came to this country and fought for its freedoms to get away from countries who blur the lines of church and state, speech, religion and free press...This country is supposed to be a melting pot of cultures and it is turning into a nightmare of "my way or your aren't American enough"  WTH?  My husband and the rest of the military to this day, fight to defend those basic freedoms and they are being jeopardized by judgemental wing nuts!  Bush spying on the military?  Bush spying on American citizens?  Mail from overseas being opened?  America being an aggressor in this world rather then a defender?  Bush actually had this added to a Bill that crossed his desk...that he and his cabinet, staff...etc...cannot be prosecuted for war crimes retro active to 9-11...what other stuff is out there that we don't know about that he felt he needed to add that to a bill?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnaSN5Twq8

Bush took America down a wrong road and isolated us in the world and I believe in my heart that McCain will continue down that road and it would get horribly worse.  I think Pat Buchanan said it best, "McCain as President will make Cheney look like Ghandi"

Now, you can bring up Ayers, I can bring up Liddy

You can bring up Wright, I can bring up that McCain isn't a member of the church he attends because he hasn't been batized within the church and the Preachers he once said were intolerable, he embraced until it came back to bite him in the tush.

You can bring up Money laundering allegations on Obama, I can do the same for McCain and UBS and other companies that escape my memory at this late hour.

Fannie and Freddie...lol...are you serious?  McCains own manager Rick Davis and his connection to them?  Going back years, receiving 15000 a month until last month? 

ACORN-too tired to tackle that one.

As I stated, we can go back and forth all night...I just don't feel like banging my head against a brick wall.  You aren't going to change my mind, and I have no desire to change yours. After all you are entitled to your views and opinions like everyone else in this great country.   It's what makes us American! 

Navywifey,

I bring you legitimate questions in want for answers. They aren't slams, they are issues necessitating scrutiny, and there is a distinct difference.

Surely, 2001 made the presidency (regardless of who would have been in office) one of the worst times in modern history to have been President. Following several embassies' attacks, the 1995 bombing that killed and injured innocent citizens at WTC, and then the act of war on the U.S. to the USS Cole, our nation soil suffered its most severe and direct hits. Frankly, if had been Mr. Clinton in office and he wanted to tap my phone after 9/11, I would have said, "Go right ahead" if it helps people sleep easier at night. It was an unprecedented and unpredictable time. In our collective grief and anger, I believe we suffered to varying degrees and either reacted or responded to the situaton. We're all connected. How could we not? Whether or not our reactions and responses were and are beneficial, time will tell best, just as it always has.

Right after the attacks to WTC, the Pentagon, and the likely thwarted attack to the Capitol, many men and women enlisted into the military. Some of those are my loved ones operating in particularly integral roles at this very hour. I honor the service of any soldier I come in contact with, whether their deployments have been stateside or abroad, and I strive to continually support them in very tangible ways.

Had I the pleasure of meeting your own husband, I would have thanked him for his own service. I equally thank you, navywifey, for your service as well. It is a fact that the sacrifices military families make are great (and often thankless) when immediate family members are deployed. Certainly, your household is no exception. Military families have been long undervalued, undercompensated, and taken for granted in a country that sleeps relatively peaceful at night, yet enjoys the freedom to protest the war in which those very soldiers who enlisted to help keep them free.

That said, should you continue to drag GOP skelatons out of the closet in effort to further your argument, it still does not negate that Mr. Bush isn't running for President, nor is Mr. Liddy, Mr. Davis, Mr. Cheney, or Rev. Wright - who I never mentioned. Please stop inflaming the issue.

My issue with Mr. Obama is with him...Mr. Obama, and the poor and questionable judgment he himself has exhibited. This relatively executive experience-lacking young man wants to be my Commander-in-Chief of the Free World. Generations of sons died for our country, whose deaths grieved their mothers. Relations between the U.S. and the Middle East have been especially volatile for decades. Perhaps I'm burying the lede here, but personally... I'm less interested in the medical record of a potential VP candidate when there is yet much for the Presidential candidate to answer for!

These issues I've raised are absoluely valid for the campaign to answer, not a retrospective of why-I-supposedly-hate-the-Dems. In fact, I think we need the Dems as much as the Republicans. The tension and accountability serves to keep one another honest.

You wrote (old print yours):

"One should never assume that because someone isn't doing what they are doing, they have any less love or respect for our country."

Again, I say it. Actions often speaks louder than words. Similarly, lack of action often speaks just as loudly.

You bring up being a follower of Christ. I commend you, for authentic followers of Christ seek truth, which surely sets them free. All I ask is that you do just that - do your own homework with the same diligence as Bible study. Seek out truth from simple smears. Fact-check and ask for guidance if necessary to come to true (not desired) conclusions.

If neither of us do this, we succumb to what is described in Timothy 4: "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

My observation is that there are too few people (especially in politics, journalism, and, strangely enough, academia) who are willing to examine what they would rather not hear, although there have been exceptions. One of my favorite attributes of journalist Tim Russert was that he was taught to learn all he could about a person before he interviewed him/her - and then take the other side! That alone required a lot of homework. (Discalimer: Granted, you and I may not have that kind of time, but we do owe it to one another to learn something and be good listeners if we're to involve ourselves in a thread.)

Mr. Russert was known for having liberal views, but there was rarely any hint of his own ego taking precedence, nor did he make himself the centerpiece, no matter how strongly he felt about an issue. He did, however, regularly hold folks' feet to the fire on "Meet the Press." As tough a row that was to hoe, surviving Russert's questioning somewhat unscathed meant relative success. But it was a show that required as much preparation for the guest (if not more!) as it did the host. (Note: John McCain was grilled 52 times.) Every guest just knew they would have to answer to things they'd said previously, even decades earlier - and usually aired from an archival tape dug up from somewhere.

What is honorable about Mr. Russert, is that he wasn't about the proverbial gotcha questions. He was about seeking the truth of a matter and maintaining accountability on the viewers' behalf to those matters that affected all of us. Walking out this commitment earned him high respect from those of all political and journalistic persuasions with unequaled grief by the viewing public. Why the nation's majority mourned a good two weeks after his death was because he went beyond the job description of journalist or news celebrity; a measure of integrity perished that day.

You have free will. I know I can't change your mind, but maybe I can encourage you to foster healthy discussions after seeking and finding your own truth in the matter, and maybe I can learn something, too. Isn't this why we're here? I hope so.

Please forgive me for going off-topic on this particular subject, folks. But I hope there are some considerations in my ramblings that can be found useful in other threads toward useful and insightful - rather than inciteful - discourse.

Thanks and blessings.

- Stella

*cackling*
That's fricking hilarious, Gnostix.

What she meant was if she wins, Trooper Wooten and anyone else who has the misfortune to cross the line on the Heath/Palin Clan, their  life is an open book to include Levi!

Obama, closed and locked.  No one knows anythin g about him.

You betcha'!!!

Very good comment and point. Her water bag broke in Tex. but she flew then drove for hours {15} to give birth? this lady is crazy, but when we understand the movement her husband, family & friends belong to we begin to understand why she wasn't going to give birth in any other country other than her own, Alaska! that's right COUNTRY! Her secret agenda is the succession of Alaska from the United States Of America, She has been quoted as saying "Alaska is being leeched on by the lower 48" She believes Alaska could and should be free. And now they want us to believe Her family is the perfect model of the typical American family, please! who do you know who can or  would put their own life at risk and their unborn baby's life at risk over a political ideal? Many have looked into why she would make this radical decission and nothing other than this COUNTRY first, ALASKA that is. makes any sense when thinking about it from her point of view that is.

Just a hunch here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Sarah's medical records might show something like this:

1) a possible tubal ligation several years ago, after the birth of Piper

2) that she has absolutely no history of prenatal exams or labor and delivery records for the birth of Trig.

I know some will scream about this being a tin-foil hat conspiracy, but what other choice is left but to believe that she's hiding something?  And what other choice but to believe it is in regard to Trig?

Lets guess on why Biden hasn't released his medical records.   Hmmmmmmmmm  too much alcohol in his blood streams  LOL.....too much Botox in forehead.........LOL

Oh who cares.  She probably has some history in emotional disorders.  We got a nut running our country now. 

This has been speculated upon in depression groups.  That sunbed she had installed?  Could be sign of SAD.  Which in and of itself is not disqualifying.  Certainly when I run for president I want you all to forget that I have bipolar disorder.  LOL

Point in fact, a number of previous president suffered from a variety of things that would be called mental disorders now . . the one I know best is that Lincoln suffered from "melancholia". 

BB-375952:

Lets guess on why Biden hasn't released his medical records. 

Do your homework.  He has. (Palin is the only one who hasn't)

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, 65, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, had emergency surgery in 1988 for an aneurysm in an artery in his brain and elective surgery for a second one. His campaign released 49 pages of medical records to The New York Times late last week showing that he was healthy, but the documents did not indicate whether he had had a test in recent years to detect any new aneurysm.

Many Holes in Disclosure of Nominees’ Health

Nearing

I have done my homework don't remember which forum, but posted about Biden health problems are more serious than McCain's.  He has had two aneurysm's and had surgery on one.  I just think it is funny that he is so vain at his age to have botox and hair plugs.  The plugs I think were done a while back. 

If you know about his medical history, why are you claiming he doesn't release it!? (#8.3)

And who cares about the vanity of the politicians?  I would expect it form them all!

I'll take substance over style any day.

Nearing
The report said he released some of his medical records, so I assume that means he hasn't released all information.

He is vain alright at one of his rallies, he had a lady to tell him about 3 times, that he is handsome.

Actually, to be fair, as far as I know, Biden's records have not yet been released either, although the Dems say they'll be out before the election.

Biden has released them.

see #8.5

nearing, does that include cosmetic post-op?

I mean, if he's gonna release the records and all, why hold back?

StellaCa, who cares?  

I am sure Palin has had her lips done and has dermabrasion every month too, who cares?

What we care about is what would incapacitate them. 

That's exactly my point, nearing! If people are going to gripe about demanding the release of medical records - which is not required by law - then those demanding such releases ought to argue that nothing should be held back!

And just where's the line of demarcation, anyway? I realize that it sounds ridiculous to assert hairplugs and Botox are make or break factors with regard to health. Believe it or not, some might argue that Botox, a relatively new cosmetic procedure, can adversely affect the brain stem. One could argue that such brain damage would account for Mr. Biden's refutal and subsequent endorements of Mr. Obama once he got offered the VP slot! (At least he'd have an excuse for flip-flopping, rather than raising the question of selfish, personal ambition.)

My point is that it *is* completely subjective! If the demand to release medical records is met, then it should be all or nothing.

How would you be "sure" Palin has had anything done? Have plastic surgeons commented on her appearance, or just chairside commenters like us?

some might argue that Botox, a relatively new cosmetic procedure, can adversely affect the brain stem. One could argue that such brain damage would account for Mr. Biden's refutal and subsequent endorements of Mr. Obama 

Some might?

Most will listen to the physicians who get to read and analyze the medical records of the candidates as too what constitutes a concern for their ability to do their jobs.

Yet again, nice deflection of my point of total release of records there, nearing.

StellaCa,

Are you stating that you believe that the only reason someone can change their mind about someone else is brain damage?  I submit it's possible that Biden gave his position some serious consideration, and changed his mind, all on his own.  It happens, honest.

No, Rainkiss. Not at all.

"Are you stating that you believe that the only reason someone can change their mind about someone else is brain damage?"

It was merely an illustration to help substantiate my point about how subjective medical records can be to interpretation. Please see the previous posts (beginning with #11) for context. Thanks.

Bottom line on my view on releasing medical records was my previous quote, that: "If people are going to gripe about demanding the release of medical records - which is not required by law - then those demanding such releases similarly ought to argue that nothing should be held back."

As far as changing one's mind is concerned, imagine how refreshing would it be for politicians to drop the self-preservation tactics and simply say, "You know, I thought I had that 'No on Proposition 8' thing wired, until I discovered (A,B, and C). I think I've had a change of mind and I'll tell you why." I could completely respect that. I think that's much more admirable than simply flip-flopping and denying, only for someone to produce a transcript or a taped interview.

Hope this helps clarify things.

Stella, that's the first thing you've said that I agree with.  I've NEVER liked the term flip-flopping, and have had difficulty understanding why it seems to be such a bad thing.

As head of my family, if I make a decision and further information presents itself afterward indicating I need to make a different decision, it's not a matter of "How will this make me look", but "How quickly can I accomplish it."

Thank you for actually thinking things through every now and then, rather than subscribing to whatever rhetoric is being spouted on a day to day basis.  I wish more people would do so.

As far as changing one's mind is concerned, imagine how refreshing would it be for politicians to drop the self-preservation tactics and simply say, "You know, I thought I had that 'No on Proposition 8' thing wired, until I discovered (A,B, and C). I think I've had a change of mind and I'll tell you why." I could completely respect that. I think that's much more admirable than simply flip-flopping and denying, only for someone to produce a transcript or a taped interview.

Good point.  I do have to say I like the fact that Biden disagrees with Obama on some points, yet can work with him.  The different viewpoint can only be a good thing.

Tom, um...thank you for the condescending, backhanded compliment? I'm sure you meant well...I think.

"Thank you for actually thinking things through every now and then, rather than subscribing to whatever rhetoric is being spouted on a day to day basis.  I wish more people would do so."

Hmmm. You might even rethink that characterization of my abilities.

It could happen in your world. It really could.

*laughing*
Backhanded, yes...condescending, no.  I support different viewpoints, as long as they are well thought out, and the person can provide a specific line of reasoning that makes sense.

For instance, my father is an avid Limbaughnian, and I am unable to have political discussions with him, because he'll just go completely ape@!$%# if I have the balls to disagree with what Rush said...something about thinking I'm smarter than everyone else or something...even if I AM.  ;)

My condolences, Tom! To your Pop, I mean...(heeh!)

Btw, I don't even listen to Rush.

In case you didn't notice, I ducked. Your backhand needs some work. :-p

Agreed Mike and complete disclosure, none of this 3 hour @!$%#.

Mike...You wrote:

"It should be law that medical records of presidential candidate are fully available to the public. When they run for office, they give up certain aspects of their status as "private citizens."

Perhaps so. But until it is law, we really have no right to be jerks about demanding them, do we? Is there a law saying I have a right to see your medical records if you're my family doctor, my local mayoral candidate, or the Secretary of Defense if I want them. I could argue that you directly impact my life b way of your occupation. Or maybe I can just demand them because I think it's important...regardless of the reason?

No. So I really don't have room to gripe about it and neither does anyone else, really. Such energy would be more constructively spent actually doing something about it. Everything else, really, is just complaining.

It should be law that medical records of presidential candidate are fully available to the public. 

I have to agree.  "Privacy" doesn't cut it.  This is the leader of the free world, for goddess sake, s/he needs to be able to do that job. 

Totally in agreement with this. Clear and transparent government. Add tax returns to this, too.

If and until it *does* become law, we really have no room to complain.

Otherwise, I could use the hare-brained argument that I ought to have access to every political candidate's medical records simply because I want them. If we want laws to change, we need to do something tangible to change them. Call your legislator. Write a letter, or go lobby for change. Meanwhile, it's unfair to lay the blame on the candidates, regardless of who is in question..

Exactly!!!

Er...  Only problem with that is, if Bristol is pregnant NOW, and as far along as they say she is, she isn't likely to also be Trig's mother.  Trig was born on April 18, 2008.  If Bristol was five months pregnant in September, that runs AWFUL close.

Oh, yes, Palin told us that she was 5 months pregnant.  That's believable.

No matter how you look at it, the Palin family is deceptive.  If Sarah WAS pregnant, she must have been binding her stomach (since she popped out huge immediately after she told her staff), and she kept a secret from her staff, who ought to have been alerted so they could prepare themselves for her possible maternity leave, or in case anything went wrong. 

Then there's the deception of bristol's current pregnancy.  They had her spreading a blanket all the way across her stomach, and  holding the baby in front of her constantly.  Obviously, in the beginning, they were trying to hide the growing belly.

Still, that tracks with Palin's statement of how far along she is with her pregnancy.  Trust me, I'm NOT one of Palin's fans, but I don't think Bristol is Trig's mother.  I'll grant that it smells funny that Sarah Palin is, that plane trip and long drive while in active labor bugs me, too.

The timing does NOT rule out Bristol being the mother of Trig.  She can have a baby and get pregnant again within a month (especially at her age)

Also, who knows if she is as pregenat as Palin says she is right now.  Or even pregnant at all? The photos that I have seen make her look like she had just had a baby, not pg with one.

It's possible, I'll grant.

However, it's my own thought that Palin has more than enough failings without needing to drag her daughter through the mud during this campaign.

Nearing

Why do you waste your time on the subject of who is Trig's mother?  You know that he belongs to Sarah Palin, a woman past her 40's is more apt to give birth to a Down Syndrome child than a 17 year old.  I know that you have seen Sarah Palin's pictures while being pregnant.

And also, Why do you want to talk about a 17 year old period.  Bristol is not running for office and even if her mother wants to protect her, what is wrong with that?  

This posting of yours surprises me, I didn't think that you were the gossiping type.  I  thought that you always had information to back up your accusations.

It speaks to her character, BB.

She uses her family as a political prop. She made it relevant.

Gossiping?  I am a voter and would like to see her medical record and would like to know if she is a liar.

She is the one who needs to give us the information to back up her claims.

Nearing-

Her protection of her family is love for her family surely you can't fault her for that

  When Obama tells all I will be happy as well,  like where did he get all of his money for his campaign, He should break it down dollar for dollar. Did it come from Foreign countries, crooks, did he not handle his campaign fund raising has he should have?

This makes who Trig's real mother is sound so unnecessary.

Why do you waste your time on the subject of who is Trig's mother?  You know that he belongs to Sarah Palin, a woman past her 40's is more apt to give birth to a Down Syndrome child than a 17 year old.  I know that you have seen Sarah Palin's pictures while being pregnant.

I know that a cousin of mine had a child with downs at 17.   More apt or not a 17 year old can have a Downs child and they're great kids.  Just saying.

If Ms. Palin made her family a political prop, how much more was Mr. Obama guilty of the same when daughters Malia and Sasha took the stage at the DNC? He didn't even know what city he was in. Ms. Obama whispered in her ear and out came the, "Where are you, daddy?" giving him an opportunity to "correct" his mistake and name the right city. I don't fault the daughters, but I do find the puppeteering of one's children appalling.

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I know several Down Syndrome children and adults, and Yes they are delightful.

I didn't say that females under 35-40 couldn't have Down Syndrome babies, I said that more are apt to be born to that age female.  The chances of down syndrome in under 35 is 1-1000 the chances in downs in 35 and older is 1-400.

If her medical records were released bet we would find out that she is a manic depressive, which if they go off their meds....well...

Yep, yep . .as I said above, depressed people think she's a depressive.  It started being talked about the first week after she was selected in some of the forums I follow.

So we got John "anger management problems" McCain and Sarah "bipolar" Palin.  When you add in Todd Palin, who has has anger management problems and definitely has boundary issues, we are looking at a very dangerous  combination.  OTOH, if Fox could get them to let cameras be installed in the VP housing, it might make a fun reality tv show.  I'm thinking Todd and Sarah fights would be entertaining.

The issue at hand is with regard to the release of medical records, not wild speculation based on rumor as to the origin of her son or a platform in which to otherwise disparage her children.

Don't such sweeping generalizations belong in the National Enquirer?

Is there even an Author in the house?

This is shameful.

Until the statutes regulating this information is changed, we have no right to personally fault ANY candidate for a law they had no hand in enacting, "customary" or not. Period.

Lets see    nor is she thinking person  very intelligent use of words

out and about the the smears   makes a lot of educated sense

if he won   she could be handle much easier than a educated woman    very good use of words, NOT

With English like that, it is no wonder you are not smart enough to run for Mayor, Gov. or VP.

Go back to school and learn how to speak, will ya??

Some contributors in this forum could benefit from some grammar lessons of their own.

Hah!

Two things....

1) My future wife is bipolar and I do NOT want her in any position where she has to make deep decisions. Oh, my Lord, the things I could tell you....

2) Back in '72, we had a VP candidate who was dropped from the ticket for having undergone shock therapy for his depression. There is precedence.

I do have bipolar disorder.  I think I could do it.  LOL But I suspect there are those would disagree.  

Nixon saw a psychiatrist...or is that a bad example?  lol

Nixon saw a psychiatrist...or is that a bad example?  lol

No, GREAT example.  Do we want another Nixon? ::giggle::

LMAO! We def don't need another Nixon!

st lois actor:
You said:  My future wife is bipolar and I do NOT want her in any position where she has to make deep decisions
Are you saying your future wife cannot make a deep decision???  Does she know that is what you think of her???  I bet that scored you a lot of points.  Everyone that post now knows, what you think of your future wife.  That is a mean and judgemental  statement to make about your future wife.  Your rage may indicate you need to be medicated!!!

Isn't it odd that she looks so much better now than in her pageant days??  Maybe there is some plastic surgery thing they are hiding that coincidentally opened the door to her political career??  Maybe she is a transvestite??  Maybe she had an abortion when she was younger??--By Republican standards, until she can prove all of this is false, its possible, "and needs to be fully disclosed".

But its probably just a record of her lobotomy.

You over looked Bidens, botox on his forehead.  When he talks, watch it, no movement at all.

Botox. yeh his brow won't even move and don't forget his hair transplants

I am not a fan of Palin...but here  is the birth announcement from the hospital...it was an article, I am assuming because she is Gov.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html

The fact is, an article or announcement won't convince people who want to believe she is lying and is Trigs grandmother. 

Tell you what, we will believe that she's Trig's mom the day the conspiracy nuts believe Obama was born in Hawaii.

LMAO

Thats funny...I was just thinking the same thing...(that people will believe she is Trigs mom when...etc...)

LOL  That means never, because she won't even bother to give evidence.